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robsworld
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Hello Dundjinni developers (if there are any) -
Are there any plans to update the Mac OS version of Dundjinni?
Coming this summer (2011), Apple will be releasing OS 10.7 (code
named Lion). This new version of the Mac operating system will not
run old PowerPC code. The current version of Dundjinni (v1.0.7) was
built on PowerPC code back in 2007. In order to run Dundjinni on the
operating system, the application must be rebuilt using Intel code.
According to all announcements/developer notes, there will not be a
PowerPC emulator in the next version of the Mac OS (Lion)
Fan of the software - I'd hate to see it 'go away' on my Mac.
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I'm confused. DJ is a Java app. Since OS X 10.7 will still run Java apps,
shouldn't it still continue to work?
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robsworld
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According to my 'System Profiler', Dundjinni (version 10.2 in System
Profiler/1.0.7 in Get Info string) is a PowerPC application (not 64 bit).
The get info string also lists the last modified date as '1/14/05 15:47'.
What does System Profiler say for your copy of Dundjinni?
I'm not a software developer, just a troubleshooter and concerned
user...
Known:
Under Lion there will be no Rosetta (PowerPC emulator), and no Java
runtime (which is needed to run 100% pure Java apps).
Speculation:
You should be able to install Java (from an appropriate vendor or
Oracle/Sun websites) after upgrading to Lion. Provided Oracle/Sun (or
some other developer) produces/offers a version of Java that will run
under Lion. So far I haven't seen (from reading developer forums) any
indication that a specific Java for Lion is already available. After
installing Lion (from what I've read), Java runtime code is installed
automatically (after the user authenticates) when they try to run a Java
application. Unfortunately, the current Java libraries are not built to
deal with Lion's particulars (afaik). Thus, some Java apps will simply
not run under Lion; even if the user downloads the 'most recent' Java
code.
Running Java on a Lion machine doesn't appear to be the issue (see
above). When building/compiling Java apps for a Mac, under XCode,
you can build the application as a PowerPC application, an Intel
application, or a Universal application. Once the application is
compiled/built, it no longer requires the Java runtime library to
execute (speculation).
Each build allows the application to access machine/architecture
specific code. In the case of a PowerPC build, the Java app would be
able to access PowerPC based kernal extensions (no longer available
under Lion). Under the Intel build, an application would access purely
Intel specific code. A Universal build would allow access to both/either.
It appears as if Dundjinni was built (using XCode) as a PowerPC
application. If it were built as Universal or Intel application, the System
Profiler would list it as that 'Kind' of application... Right?
In order to run Dundjinni, an Intel Mac must use Rosetta to capture and
execute the PowerPC calls (in emulation).
If there's no Rosetta under Lion (and that's confirmed), then we won't
be able to execute Java apps that have been compiled/built as PowerPC
applications.
If someone out there has Lion installed (an actual developer), they
could test my 'assumptions', and we would know for certain whether
Dundjinni will run under Lion. From what I've read, and based on the
reporting by 'System Profiler', I'm assuming that this particular 'Java'
application will NOT run under Lion.
Once again, I'm not an actual developer. Aside from some minor
meddling with AppleScript, JavaScript and Apple's XCode tools, I don't
know all that much about C+/C++/Objective C or any other
programming language. I've never built/coded a Java application for
the Mac, so my assumptions are just that, assumptions. If you know
better; if you have first hand knowledge, please feel to correct/update
any of my assumptions.
- Robert
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totte
Djinni (Admin)
Joined: 03/16/2009
Location: Sweden
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I have "Lion testing" for many things of mine on my schedule (after finishing
a huge project" and I will test DJ as well.
The problem here is that the launcher app is PPC, but the launcher just
triggers the Java launch so we need a new launcher to trigger the Java on
Lion (could probably whips something up if I ever get the time to do that..)
But still back to "I will test Lion for many reasons (all my apps) after June 15
when the current megaproject that eats all my time is done.
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thrillba
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Any updates on this? I have a mac, and lion definitely kills dundjinni.
If there is anything I can do to help just let me know. I need this program
for my campaign.
This is the only stand alone program to create maps for the mac.
Everything else is for windows.
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totte
Djinni (Admin)
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I havent upgraded my main systems to 10.7 due to numerous things I'm not
sure will work, DJ is one of them, but I can check on my dev machine if I can
fix the java exec to work, might be tricky though.
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Solved HERE!
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