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fredramsey
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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 9:42am | IP Logged Quote fredramsey

Can you take a full-sized map and have it printed on large paper at, say, Kinko's?

If so, how would I go about doing that?

Thanks!

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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 9:51am | IP Logged Quote Slim Jim

Probably the best way would be to get hold of a pdf driver and print as a pdf. It's bitmap, meaning files are likely to get very large, so you'd definitely need a CD writer.

Edited by Slim Jim on 06/03/2004 at 9:52am
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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 10:16am | IP Logged Quote fredramsey

Yes, but even if I took a PDF or JPEG, what do I tell them about it? How do I make sure that what the print on will result in 1" squares?

Someone in the company must have done this already. Please let me know. Thanks.

Slim Jim wrote:
Probably the best way would be to get hold of a pdf driver and print as a pdf. It's bitmap, meaning files are likely to get very large, so you'd definitely need a CD writer.
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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 10:18am | IP Logged Quote slashdevnull

I'd recommend checking out their website. The info's most likely there. I know that they have a printing service that allows you to send a file to them over the Internet, then just show up at a branch location to pick it up.

Regarding PDF files: Make sure that whether you or someone else is printing a map exported to PDF, you do not select the "Scale to fit page" option when you print. Your 1" squares may end up being 10" squares.

Edited by slashdevnull on 06/03/2004 at 10:19am
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fredramsey
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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 10:26am | IP Logged Quote fredramsey

Not to sound rude, but, I doubt Kinko's website has any information about Dundjinni.

I'm certain it has something to do with the DPI of the image versus the DPI of the printer, etc.

Again, please will someone from Fluid respond to this.

Thanks.

slashdevnull wrote:
I'd recommend checking out their website. The info's most likely there. I know that they have a printing service that allows you to send a file to them over the Internet, then just show up at a branch location to pick it up.

Regarding PDF files: Make sure that whether you or someone else is printing a map exported to PDF, you do not select the "Scale to fit page" option when you print. Your 1" squares may end up being 10" squares.
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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 11:12am | IP Logged Quote kreynolds

fredramsey wrote:
I'm certain it has something to do with the DPI of the image versus the DPI of the printer, etc.


Actually, no. When you print an image, the only thing that matters in regards to physical size is physical size, i.e. your DPI has nothing to do with the size of a printed image. A 72DPI 11x17 image will print out at the exact same size as a 2400DPI 11x17 image.

DPI, in regards to printed images, is all about print quality, but not print size.

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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 11:19am | IP Logged Quote fredramsey

Ok. So, I have a jpg, and I walk into Kinko's. I just tell them to print it actual size, then?

You see, I don't want to waste their time or my money if I want the squares to print at 1". They aren't going to have any clue about the application I used to create the map. I just want to know what to tell them to have it print out correctly.

I guess, at worst, I can ask once the product is out and someone has tried to have something printed at Kinko's.



kreynolds wrote:
fredramsey wrote:
I'm certain it has something to do with the DPI of the image versus the DPI of the printer, etc.


Actually, no. When you print an image, the only thing that matters in regards to physical size is physical size, i.e. your DPI has nothing to do with the size of a printed image. A 72DPI 11x17 image will print out at the exact same size as a 2400DPI 11x17 image.

DPI, in regards to printed images, is all about print quality, but not print size.
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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 11:34am | IP Logged Quote plambert

Whether DPI matters depends on the file format and the program doing
the printing.

JPEG files must contain information about the number of pixels in
the
image, i.e. 1024x768 or 14031x10334.

JPEG files may contain information about the physical dimensions of
the
image, i.e. 300DPI or 72DPI or 88DPI or whatever.

The software used to print a JPEG may care about the DPI described
by
the JPEG file. Or it may assume 72DPI. Or it may use the native
maximum DPI of the output (printer) driver. There's no standard.

However, PDF is a different format. PDF files must contain
information
about the physical dimensions of the document. PDF software must
honor these dimensions when displaying or printing.

A PDF file could contain multiple versions of its contents based on
the
output media (CMYK+white+paper, or RGB+monitor, or whatever). A PDF
file could contain multiple versions of its contents based on the
output
resolution, too. This doesn't mean the program you used to make the
PDF did this, though.

If you "print to PDF" with a PDF printing driver on Windows, the
application doesn't have any control over the fancy PDF options for
ensuring output quality. An application could have PDF output built in;
there are open source java libraries for this purpose, for example, which
would allow the application to give much more control. But that's a lot of
programming work and testing--Fluid's got better things to do today, I'm
sure. But maybe someday... :-)

When you give a PDF file to a printing company, they should preflight
it
to make sure that all required fonts are available or embedded, and that
any "hints" enclosed for the expected media and resolution don't exercise
features they can't handle. But if Kinko's specifically does this, I have no
idea.

When printing PDF files (yourself, or through a service), it's important to
let them know that you care about the dimensions. Most PDF-based
printing utilities (including but not limited to Adobe Acrobat Reader and
Pro) offer a "fit to page" option so that you can print A4 documents on
Letter-sized paper or vice versa, without it looking odd. In most normal
business cases, that's what people want.

When printing a map at 1" scale, that's not what you want. ;-)

--plambert

P.S. So when's the Mac version going to be available? ;-)

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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 11:39am | IP Logged Quote fredramsey

Thank you, plambert, that's what I was afraid of.

So, Fluid, what is the recommended solution to printing a full-size map at Kinko's?

Please enlighten us.

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Posted: 06/03/2004 at 11:46am | IP Logged Quote kreynolds

fredramsey wrote:
Ok. So, I have a jpg, and I walk into Kinko's. I just tell them to print it actual size, then?


Yup. Their job is to print things. If you tell them not to alter the size, they won't (if their even minimally competent, and you don't have to be that competent at all to get it right).

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