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Cecil
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SR,
I agree with your POV in many ways. But to get to the nitty-gritty, this is the thread that has the most discussion.
http://www.dundjinni.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=46&KW=co mmercial
A couple of other searches to consider are "EULA" and "Publishing"
Also, recommend checking to see if you are searching the entire post and not just the subject.
Edited by slash: made above link clickable
Edited by slashdevnull on 12/29/2005 at 8:41am
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Lalato
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Question: I enter a contest to create a map for a miniatures tournament. I win the contest and the map is printed and used by all players at the tournament. The tournament organizers charge an entry fee to cover space rental and printing costs. Infringement or no?
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Lalato
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Lalato wrote:
Question: I enter a contest to create a map for a miniatures tournament. I win the contest and the map is printed and used by all players at the tournament. The tournament organizers charge an entry fee to cover space rental and printing costs. Infringement or no?
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Webmaster Scott
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Sorry I must of missed this post before.
Well, gosh darn! That's a good one! I don't know actually but at a wild guess I'd say its ok. But its such a grey area I'd have to consult a lawyer to be sure. Just for grins what do others think?
For me its in the spirit of being ok since no one is actually making profit off of it. But we've had a lot of grey area issues the past few months with print companies and such. I guess it all depends on who you ask and what they consider "profit". The tournament I assume is not for profit and just covering their expenses.
Anyway, to be honest I'm not sure.
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Lalato
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Webmaster Scott wrote:
The tournament I assume is not for profit and
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That's correct. No profit would be made. People would be paying an
entry fee to the tournament, but it would only cover the cost of printing
the maps and the space rental.
The contest is being held over at maxminis.com, a D&D Miniatures fan
forum. The winning map will be used at the Maxminis Draft Tournament
at GenCon in August. So the entry fee goes for printing the maps and for
the use of the space at GenCon.
Anyway... if it's OK, I might enter a map. :)
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heruca
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I think the promotional value of the free publicity DJ will get makes it
worthwhile to allow it, in this case.
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Definitely a grey area.
As long as:
They were not using just the one map (the basis of the tournament/services' profit);
They were not using it for advertising (the draw for the tournaments' profit);
They were not selling the digital maps (direct sale for profit or not)
Or selling an openly accessible, multi-customer printing service by printing your map (again, the basis of the profit);
It shouldn't be an issue.
I would tend to agree with Webmaster Scott and Heruca.
The spirit of usage seems OK, and it would be great promotional material for Dundjinni and for your mapping skills. 
I would offer one suggestion: Add the Dundjinni Compass Rose to the map, just in case.
Another option: Use all User Contributed art. There are no restrictions on the art posted to the user forums. Free for personal and commercial use.
Good luck with the contest! Let us know how it turns out.
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Hello, I am brand new to Dundjinni, so please forgive me if this has been covered before.
Question, I develop a Dungeon Crawl type boardgame using Dundjinni art for the prototype. I start to market my game using the DJ art, but I tell the potential buyer that the board would need new art or a license from Dundjinni.
Is it ok to use DJ art as a prototype?
Thanks to all that reply.
Jason
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Welcome JackalopeJay  ,
By Dundjiini art I assume you mean the art that comes with the program and that you can buy in the DJ shop. We usually call that Fluid art (the company who owned DJ). The license for using that art used to be pretty strict, but because there is new management this might change soon.
So ... you should wait a little until the new license is ready, or you use user-art from this forum which is almost always royaly free (some art comes with a license, but that's only a very, very small percentage )
Hope that answered your question (until the boss comes by and gives you a better answer  )
Happy mapping
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Thank you for your fast response. You kinda answered my question, but not as fully as I had hoped. Let me rephrase.
I build a prototype of a boardgame. I am not making any kind of profit from my game. I am not selling it to people and I am not charging people to play. All of this so far is legal as I understand it.
Now, after months of tweaking, I think my game is good enough to market. I take my prototype to various game companies and demo the game to them. Company A decides to make my game for me. I tell them that the art on my board is copyrighted, so new art would have to be developed for it. They hire an artist to develop the board with original art.
What I believe I am selling here is an Idea (my original boardgame concept), I am using Dundjinni to demo my idea. When the game would be published, it would have no traces of copyrighted art left on it.
Is this ok or am I still considered to be making a profit off of Dundjinni?
Thanks again to all that reply.
Jackalope Jay
Kepli wrote:
Welcome JackalopeJay ,
By Dundjiini art I assume you mean the art that comes with the program and that you can buy in the DJ shop. We usually call that Fluid art (the company who owned DJ). The license for using that art used to be pretty strict, but because there is new management this might change soon.
So ... you should wait a little until the new license is ready, or you use user-art from this forum which is almost always royaly free (some art comes with a license, but that's only a very, very small percentage )
Hope that answered your question (until the boss comes by and gives you a better answer )
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