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Posted: 06/12/2006 at 8:55pm | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

In other threads I've seen mentioned and use of perspective shadows for taller items. All of my items have normal drop shadows, but here's an attempt at a perspective shadow. Two sample JPGs below, one with normal drop shadow, and one with perspective. Which do you prefer?




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Posted: 06/12/2006 at 9:12pm | IP Logged Quote cdenham

Awesome trees!!

Personally I prefer the first one, the with the perspective shadow. However I would like to have the shadow as a separate image. This would allow the shadow to placed more in line with the light source of the map, allow for use of the image for a night time map, and let the 'height' be adjusted. Just some thoughts but overall - Mega-cool Mr. GreenJeans!

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Posted: 06/12/2006 at 9:21pm | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

Hmm, not sure I know how to do the shadow as a separate image. I've got Gimp and Photoshop CS. If you can tell me how I'll be glad to do it.

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Posted: 06/12/2006 at 10:28pm | IP Logged Quote Kepli

This is still an ongoing discussion and probably will be for a long time
I also prefer a prespective shadow on trees and use that myself when making trees. The one you used is a bit too far to the right and probably should be a bit down too (but that is one of the discussion points ) I prefer a 135 degrees shadow at a distance of 5-20 pixels (depending on the height).

To create the shadow in PS as a separate layer, use the normal drop shadow. Right click the added shadow on the layer-view and make it a layer (sorry, can't show you this better atm, don't have PS here).

Edited by Kepli on 06/12/2006 at 10:29pm


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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 3:53am | IP Logged Quote Bludragn

I perfer the second one but do like the first one. The first one forces a light direction for West to East. If I place other objects that do not have this type of shadow the tree will stick out a bit. Having the shadow as its own file would be better. Not sure how PS does it but in PSP you can have the drop shadow go to a seperate layer.

Nice tree
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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 5:29am | IP Logged Quote lingster

Either that, or make the tree without the drop shadow, then take the tree and use the "darken" brush. Once you've made the tree "black", use the blurr tool to make the image blurry. THEN take the eraser tool and erase the image to about 5% opacity. There's your seperate shadow...

Ok, my idea's harder and longer to do, but I've done it that way before... in PSP.

Now that I know Blu's way, I'd do that.

Otherwise, I'd love lots of trees, different trees.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 5:44am | IP Logged Quote greytale

Edited because I am a moron...See post at bottom.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 5:49am | IP Logged Quote Kepli

Looks like PSP and PS can do the same thing ... Just select the drop-shadow and select the option for it to create a seperate layer. As soon as I have some time (ahum) I will post a screenshot of the PS method.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 6:03am | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

Ok, it took a bit, but I figured out where the Create Layer is in PS, there were a lot fo options, and it kinda got buried. I Gimp it's actually easier, since the drop shadow is already a separate layer.

Here's the result from PS, these are jpgs, since the PNGs were too large.




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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 6:07am | IP Logged Quote Kepli

Nice work SR

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 6:10am | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

If this method is acceptable, I have, so far, 8 of this particualr tree, all different in appearance (Vue randomizes plants each time you place one, pretty cool). I'll post them on my gallery some time today. You'll have a whole cherry orchard.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 6:19am | IP Logged Quote greytale

Doh!. Man I am such an idiot, I have been using PSP for years and never realized I could do a full shadow. I always worked off the selection shadow....

Thanks people for the dope slap.
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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 6:25am | IP Logged Quote Kepli

If you want to go even further, you could add more shadows ... I have been working for some time with Sita on better tree shadows ON the tree to give it more height without using a height perspective settings (that blurs the image). There is a lot to explain about this, but the results are promissing. I use Vue trees too ...
I essence, you create a shadow rim on the outside of the tree. That way the center is a bit lighter and thus looks a bit higher. Playing with this, you can create pretty nice height differences in a single tree.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 6:41am | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

I'm not following you, Kep.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 10:06am | IP Logged Quote Dragonlady


Well done! I'm looking forward to checking your site when you have the pngs ready.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 10:50am | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

I'm doing up a BUNCH of trees right now. Blossoming Cherry (as above), as well as fall and winter versions (i.e. no leaves.)

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 1:28pm | IP Logged Quote Kepli

Steel Rat wrote:
I'm not following you, Kep.

Understandable ... I'll show this when we have perfected it a bit

Let's have those trees

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 1:31pm | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

I'll be putting them up on my site, since they're too large to upload here for the most part. I'll do a contact sheet for here, though. right now i'm just doing the tree with no shadow, and the separate drop shadow. One thing I haven't been able to do is make a real shadow with the trunk of the tree and the proper perspective, for bare trees.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 3:30pm | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

In case anyone didn't see it, I posted the tree collection info to THIS thread.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 4:55pm | IP Logged Quote RobA

Steel Rat wrote:
I'm not following you, Kep.


I'm thinking he means using shading over the tree area so that instead of a tree looking flat like this disk:


It looks more like a hemisphere:

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 5:08pm | IP Logged Quote Steel Rat

lol, no clue how to do that to an amorphous object.

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Posted: 06/13/2006 at 10:21pm | IP Logged Quote Kepli

RobA wrote:
Steel Rat wrote:
I'm not following you, Kep.


I'm thinking he means using shading over the tree area so that instead of a tree looking flat like this disk:


It looks more like a hemisphere:


yep, that's basically what I do, but a bit less obvious. Thanks RobA


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Posted: 06/14/2006 at 5:39am | IP Logged Quote lingster

Let's see what can can do with those trees Kelp. I want to see it on a tree. :)

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Posted: 06/14/2006 at 5:40am | IP Logged Quote Kepli

as soon as I get some time I will create one using one of these trees

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